I traded a few emails with Roger to learn more about how the film was made and what inspired it.
1. Tell us your background- years in the biz etc?
I’m an Executive Vice President, Creative Director at Arnold. I currently run the ESPN business at Arnold and also work as a senior writer, partnered with art director Paul Renner. I’ve been in the business about 17 years. Prior to Arnold I worked at Fallon in Minneapolis.
2. What inspired this labor of hate, if you are at liberty to tell us?
I call this a labor of hate, because I simply hate concept testing with focus groups. I have witnessed untold creative concepts die at the hands of people who are only there for the $50 and free M&M’s and Pepsi.
There are just so many flaws to the system that I believe it’s not scientifically valid on any level. These flaws include:
1. Moderators can lead respondents
2. Alpha respondents can lead/sway the rest of the group
3. Spots that are easiest to understand/most familiar often win out
4. Concepts aren’t accurately reflected with cartoon storyboards
5. The mindset of respondents is to criticize no matter how objective you ask them to be. It’s human nature,
6. It's not reflective of the media buy. I’m in this business and I can’t tell you what commercials I saw last night. Brands are built by a cumulative effect on multiple sources. You can’t expect brand preference to go up after ONE viewing of a bad animatic.
7. Time consuming. Creating these takes time and energy from the creative department.
8.Cost prohibitive. It’s not unusual to spend $300K to find out
9. Preconceived notions. Clients and agencies tend to have ideas of what they want to get from the focus groups so they look for those. One client felt we had a brand linkage problem when the moderator asked the groups to name a commercial in the client’s category. They didn’t name our commercials. I said that if they recalled our commercial, but couldn’t remember it was from us—that’s a brand linkage issue. But they couldn’t even name our spot which means we had a media issue.
10. Kills the creative process. If a spot tests well in groups, clients are unwilling to deviate from it when it comes time to shoot. So trying to get a good director to plus the boards? Forget it. The magic of ad-libs from the talent on shoot day? Forget it.
But let me be clear, I’m not against focus groups and learning information about your target audience. I think if you poll planners in all agencies, they would much prefer to do up front market research over concept testing. The issue I have is with testing unfinished work in front of people.
Sure, the stakes are high for CMO’s with the average tenure being 22 months on the job before they hope to take their success and move on to another job. But look at the movie industry. The average development costs for a typical Hollywood movie is around 100 million. Do the studios do animatics or board o’ matics of their movies with tests audiences to see which movie they should produce and how best they can “optimize it?” Of course not. They green light a script, film it, edit it, mix it and THEN they have test screenings. Now they’re just asking to see if there was something the audience didn’t get or found confusing. This may result in re-editing it or perhaps reshooting one or two scenes.
But imagine showing an animatic of the film Adaptation or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind to test audiences?
3. Why did you pick the Apple spot? Were there any other candidates?
We thought about other high profile spots that people within the industry would know, but in the end, we decided to go with the most iconic spot in the history of advertising. There was something so poetic about taking such a high profile Super Bowl spot for a visionary brand like Apple, (who don’t test, clearly) and subject it to the whims of people who need extra cash to pay their cable bill that month.
4. How did you make the film?- do the recruit and my guess is that's not an Arnold planner in the film....
We used a real focus group facility who donated the time and recruited real respondents at cost. The moderator was an Arnold planner who recently took a job on the West coast. We briefed the respondents exactly the way we would a normal focus group—telling them that we “had nothing to do with this commercial” and that we were looking for their “honest feedback, both good and bad.” We told them this was a potential Super Bowl spot. We had two cameramen in the back room behind the mirror, each responsible for close ups on one side of the table. For the majority of the shots, however, we used the actual focus group camera and audio from the facility.
5. Do you think creatives believe all focus group testing is like this?
The film has been posted on many blogs (in many languages) and you can tell by the responses that this has struck a nerve with many creatives. We have all been there and we’ve all see this. So, yeah, this is pretty much how all (concept testing) focus groups tend to go.
6. What does it feel like when you have to sit in the other room in a session like this and listen to people talk about your work?
Any good creative has a thick skin, so hearing your concept get ripped to shreds is not new. You smirk. You make witty, sarcastic remarks about the respondents, down a fistful of salted peanuts and move on.
Frankly, if focus groups liked your concept then maybe you’re doing something wrong.
Again, focus groups typically reward the familiar. I have run into this situation many times. One time, the agency recommended spot lost out to the back up spot because it featured a husband speaking to his wife in the kitchen. Very easy to understand. The recommended spot featured intricate cg work and was actually more on strategy than the husband/wife spot. We produced the spot that “won out” in testing and the client proceeded to do everything they could in the edit to make it more like the spot that died under the harsh florescent lights of the focus group room.
7. How have people in Arnold reacted to the film?
People have loved it. Both Lawson and I have received positive feedback from inside and outside the agency walls. It has been forwarded to many people in the business, including the production side. People dig it because it’s so painfully real.
8. If you were a planner, what would you do to help creative teams develop great work?
The biggest mistake planners make is to pretend they’re in the creative department. If you want in, by all means put your book together and jump in. There’s plenty of room behind the two way mirror at the testing facility.
What creatives are looking for from planners is a simple, unique insight into the human condition of our target audience. Granted, that’s not always easy. But telling creatives that teens like music and technology is not helpful. Don’t give us charts and graphs because we know we always want to be in the upper right hand quadrant.
Give us a simple sentence that can get our gears turning. Tell us something we didn’t know about our audience. We all know that milk is good for your bones and does a body good. Just hand us a postcard with a sentence like “You know. It really sucks when you want milk and you don’t have it.”
9. What stuff is inspiring you these days?
There has been very little that has inspired me within the advertising industry lately. For an industry that prides itself on originality, it’s amazing how often we copy each other. Remember shaky cam? Remember large type to small type? Remember the “organic” layout with a bunch of stuff photographed on the page with copy wrapped around it? Remember binding in little booklets into magazines? Remember that whacky, offbeat Swedish humour?
I tend find inspiration from films, photography and contemporary art. I know that sounds pretentious. So if I had to pick one commercial thing that inspires me I would say the writing of screenwriter Charlie Kaufman and also the writing staff of NBC’s “The Office.”
Thanks to Katie for finding the film. We are looking forward to the sequel on quant pre-testing!
Posted by Ed Cotton
Flawed
This is an extremely ignorant exercise. You take an ad that is 20 years old and incongrous with the brand's current image, and then laugh at the respondents for panning it? Perhaps we should listen more closely to respondents (instead of quickly dismissing them). Consumers can't always articulate the problem with ads...it's up to smart agency people to read between the lines. Why do you think the Respondents asked for more color and a less dreary scenario? Maybe because Apple has recently poured millions of dollars into establishing color as an ownable icon? The marketing world is not static. A video like this just reinforces the idea that agency people sometimes just don't get it.
Posted by BillatLeap on 10/17/2007 02:46 PM
This is an extremely ignorant exercise. You take an ad that is 20 years old and incongrous with the brand's current image, and then laugh at the respondents for panning it? Perhaps we should listen more closely to respondents (instead of quickly dismissing them). Consumers can't always articulate the problem with ads...it's up to smart agency people to read between the lines. Why do you think the Respondents asked for more color and a less dreary scenario? Maybe because Apple has recently poured millions of dollars into establishing color as an ownable icon? The marketing world is not static. A video like this just reinforces the idea that agency people sometimes just don't get it.
Wieden + Kennedy
More proof for the puding, Wieden + Kennedy, one of the most consistent creative agencies on earth, doesn't sign clients unless they forgoe any testing prior to production. There's plenty of Nike, Coke, and ESPN ads that became part of consumer culture that would have died without W+K staying true to that principle.
Posted by willie on 10/18/2007 06:07 PM
More proof for the puding, Wieden + Kennedy, one of the most consistent creative agencies on earth, doesn't sign clients unless they forgoe any testing prior to production. There's plenty of Nike, Coke, and ESPN ads that became part of consumer culture that would have died without W+K staying true to that principle.
why blame focus groups
this makes me so angry. i think we all agree that the best research happens before the brief is written, but sometimes things just don't work and it's the job of a good moderator and a courageous planner to figure out why things resonate or don't with consumers. following consumers blindly is ALWAYS a bad idea. but the following comments make me angry, because they're blanket statements that have been around since the dawn of time: 1. Moderators can lead respondents. Duh. They're bad moderators. 2. Alpha respondents can lead/sway the rest of the group. Again, the moderator's responsibility to control. 3. Spots that are easiest to understand/most familiar often win out. There shouldn't be 'winners' and 'losers' in qualitative - if you want scores you're being incredibly shortsighted as a client and you shouldn't be doing groups in the first place. It's as much the agency's job to help the client understand what's succeeding or not and why. and so on. Ugh. I just hate the 'us' versus 'them' dynamic that creatives set up within agencies when they feel threatened. Work at a place with smarter people then.
Posted by juniormint on 10/26/2007 11:11 AM
this makes me so angry. i think we all agree that the best research happens before the brief is written, but sometimes things just don't work and it's the job of a good moderator and a courageous planner to figure out why things resonate or don't with consumers. following consumers blindly is ALWAYS a bad idea. but the following comments make me angry, because they're blanket statements that have been around since the dawn of time: 1. Moderators can lead respondents. Duh. They're bad moderators. 2. Alpha respondents can lead/sway the rest of the group. Again, the moderator's responsibility to control. 3. Spots that are easiest to understand/most familiar often win out. There shouldn't be 'winners' and 'losers' in qualitative - if you want scores you're being incredibly shortsighted as a client and you shouldn't be doing groups in the first place. It's as much the agency's job to help the client understand what's succeeding or not and why. and so on. Ugh. I just hate the 'us' versus 'them' dynamic that creatives set up within agencies when they feel threatened. Work at a place with smarter people then.
Get over it already
Apart from the fact that the original 1984 spot was conceived for the world as it was a generation ago, I had to laugh at his comment: "You can?t expect brand preference to go up after ONE viewing of a bad animatic." That spot ran exactly once. And look at the impression it made. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
Posted by rob on 10/29/2007 03:01 PM
Apart from the fact that the original 1984 spot was conceived for the world as it was a generation ago, I had to laugh at his comment: "You can?t expect brand preference to go up after ONE viewing of a bad animatic." That spot ran exactly once. And look at the impression it made. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
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Love it. Definitely makes a poweful point. But we should also remember all the external factors that can influence people's reactions to creative. The Apple spot was obviously a huge hit in '1984', but it is possible that the same TV spot today would not resonate the same way with today's audience. I know ad agencies love to take all the credit for a successful campaign, but we have to acknowledge that there is some luck in regards to the timing of cultural events that take place in society that can greatly influence the perception/reaction of the campaign. On that note, what external factors (ie. social context) do you think are most important to consider when formulating a new piece of communication?